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 Dalmatian_mad (Dalmatian_mad) posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 7:22 pm
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good on you  i started out with dal rescue as a homechecker after adopting my 2 deafies.
one has just passed her gold KCGC award and the other is teaching my OH agility and runs with me in canix lol
i hate that some ppl still say that deafies should be PTS and have no quality of life but they have just as much spark and potential as any hearing dog and both of my deafies are more even tempered and level headed than my hearing collie! |
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| Forever_friends_x (Forever_friends_x) posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 7:00 pm
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I have only up until now seen the nice side of dog owning..buying my bichons as pups and getting a lovely young, deaf, dal for free. I have however just took a rescue 2 yr old male dalmatian, deaf, and how sad I was when he arrived he is so skinny much thinner than my 11 month old girl...heartbreaking. The woman from the rescue said with my love and regular feeding he will be fine. What a lovely dog he is...and therefore I would like to say that those who invest time in re-homing such dogs you are doing a really good job...and they are a voice of experience..unlike me. I hope my first rescue will be happy with me.
ps due to the rescue centre being full to bursting he came straight from the owners |
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| Dalmatian_mad (Dalmatian_mad) posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 12:00 pm
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very very well put and point taken.
a little about me for those that dont know me. i've worked in rescue for nearly 10 years. seeing all sides from home checking to front line rescue dealing with everything from aggression to boredom to outright abuse and urine burns. i take aggressive/wrongly labled dogs/stressed out dogs into my home and rehabilitate them so that when they are ready they can be safely rehomed (to the right thoroughly vetted home)
i am a fully qualified dog training instructor and have worked in and with training clubs for the last 5 years or so. i teach pet dog obedience and agility but my passion is behaviour managment and modification.
i have seen it from all angles and have been there to pick up the pieces. no i do not know it all but i have a fair idea of what most are going through and just how difficult the task of bringing up 2 pups/having 3 young pups alongside 3 young children is going to be.
i stay on this now unmoderated site along with a few of us other oldies to help guide ppl away from possible mistakes. everyone else that stayed behind just does it in a nicer way than me :D
just one final note however. even with my experience and knowledge i would not so much as foster 2 young pups together. the pitfalls are too vast and so very often we see stressed out upset owners who wonder why their dogs are so closely bonded and they the owner dont seem to matter. why would you? its a fine balancing act and a lot of work and get that wrong then before you know it the pups have palled up and you are just there to put the food bowls down. |
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| Sasca (Sasca) posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 8:36 am
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here's what i think after a good few years browsing on here...
I think that when it comes to animal care, everyone has there own experiences after a few years and not all of them will have been good. The fear of allowing someone else to make the mistakes that we have seen be made allready (particularly if involved in the rescue business) leads to strong views and an almost desperation in not wanting to allow it to happen. This is where DM is coming from and i credit her for trying so hard to make sure everyone does it correctly, its what we all want at the end of the day…this isn't a battle!
However people have a right to make whatever decisions they want whether ill advised or not, the best that a stranger behind a keyboard can do is give advice based on their own experiences, and reasons for not doing so. The worst thing to be done is to scare of the said advisee as then they will be alone in their task and have noone to turn to if things go wrong. Thats when these mistakes really happen.
If someone wants to take 2 together, or another decision not widely supported, then people should express their opinion but also their support when they have said thier final decision. If its for two in the end, then lets make sure there is a backlog of people that anyone on here can turn to and they wont be afraid or embarrassed to ask for help.
A forum is free to opinions but what good are opinions if no-one is comfortable asking for them! Its also a place for advice and there are people on here with a wealth of advice that could be tapped into if they could just curb their emotional responses a bit. Everyone on here is on the same side, we all have different approaches but the animals at the end of the day are what matter and if someone can give two, three or even ten of them a home for life, we have all achieved a little dent in the plight of rescues. Thats what we're all here for isn't it? It'd be nice if some true advice would come out of these posts without sarcasm or a gun!
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| Carolyn73 (Carolyn73) posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 9:20 pm
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| Thanks for your input once again dalmationmad on this issue. Not that I want to get into a tit for tat match, but the dobermann society where we take our dog, which has been going for 18 strong years, did say that our dobermann at 11 months old was dominating our son and I am positive they will have a lot more knowledge on this breed that you have. I didn,t label my dog, and he had the appropriate training during play, and I certainly did not leave my dog unspervised with my children. You have to learn that you don't know everything about everything!!!! |
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| Forever_friends_x (Forever_friends_x) posted on Friday, March 12, 2010 - 9:43 am
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| not that I want to interfere but all dogs are not the same and each individual case is different and as we know breeding has a big part to play on temperament. Therefore, I think it is wrong to voice such strong opinions on someone who is obviously a animal lover. Owning a dog whether one or two is demanding and I'm sure Donnamarie is prepared.....some people would think owning 2 dalmatians is mad....owner of a dalmatian I would ob not agree.....but I'm sure no one voiced their unwanted opinions to you. |
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| Dalmatian_mad (Dalmatian_mad) posted on Sunday, March 07, 2010 - 10:56 am
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thats because at 11 months old he would NOT be attempting to 'dominate' your son and any events that did unfold would have been your fault for leaving them unsuprvised.
i bet you didnt make the effort to show the dog appropriate play - it was too easy to stick a label on the dog that you dont understand (nor would you understand the implications for the dog should you have found a rescue willing to take him on with such a label.)
(apologies to sasca) |
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| Carolyn73 (Carolyn73) posted on Saturday, March 06, 2010 - 10:56 pm
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| Donnamarie, I would just like to say good on you girl for standing up to for yourself to dalmation mad. I was looking to rehome my then 11 month old doberman a few months ago due to him dominating my youngest son, and as a result my son beginning to be scared of our dog and what a mouth full I got off dalmationmad. I'm with you, he/she must have nothing better to do with their time than to constantly sit on this site waiting to pounce on his/her next victim (shocking). I previously had a doberman that died aged nine before I got my new pup, my dad also trained dogs for the police, but hey what did we know about the breed when dalmationmad has all the answers. I hope you do find or indeed have found 2 pups, yes it will be hard work, but rewarding and remember, women for years have been having multiple births and successfully raising children so im sure you could handle 2 pups!! good luck. |
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| Maxrox85 (Maxrox85) posted on Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 4:17 pm
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2 dobey pups FOC? I wish you the very best of luck, I have found that dobeys are rare enough to be bred for order or requirement only and not often by accident and have never come accross a litter being offered free but if you persevere and are prepared to wait I am sure you will have some luck.
Try the following sites:
www.dobermannrehome.co.uk
www.dobermannsinneed.co.uk
www.dobermannwelfare.org.uk
www.dobermann-rescue.co.uk
www.dogsblog.com/category/dobermann/ |
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| Donnamarie (Donnamarie) posted on Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 7:59 pm
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| Cheers 4 advice sasca,and as for you dalmation-mad well im a grown woman not abit of a kid,i dont understand people who want to question,question and question,i havent just woke up one morning and thought oh i think i should have 2 doberman puppies.Ive grown up with the breed,and certainly dont need educating from you in any way or form.Iam on this site to see if there are any doberman puppies needing a good home,end of.I certainly wouldnt be on here all day trying to find someone to chat to because i have no friends ,this is what i call plain daft,and simply very sad hun. |
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| Sasca (Sasca) posted on Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 7:11 pm
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DM - im not a cesar person, as you will have seen in that thread.
Dominance doesn't have to mean violence.
Dominance is vital to community without which there can be no leadership. there is dominance and submission in any social structure whether it be primates, canines or human, doesn't mean they go round growling and hitting eachother till one gives in, just that the leader will take the dominant role in the decision making process and the rest will follow suit, making the comminity work.
Individuals will naturally have a dominant or submissive character. The problem owners get (which you will be well aware of) is when they dont take on a strong leadership and decisive role from the start so the dog starts questioning whether he can make a better decision and take over. When niether backs down but neither take on the leader role fully either thats when the dog gets dumped!
i could go on forever but as long as you understand that i believe in having a dominant role in a pack of dogs but that doesn't mean i stare them down or impose myself on them. Just make it clear that i make the decisions that they will need to follow to be happy in the pack. simple confident body lanuage does that!
unfortantly when some men get the idea of being dominant over a dog, they take it literal and only accept submission in the form of a cowering and whining pup. i hope you wont think to relate me to him again...
donnamarie - another option now is that you aquire one now, allow that want to become established and then in a couple of years, look for another...depends on how comfortable you feel. I also aggree that rescues could do with the help and im sure dobers go through regularly.
Good luck either way! |
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| Dalmatian_mad (Dalmatian_mad) posted on Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 5:32 pm
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| lol wrong thread kelly xxx |
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| Kellyjoy (Kellyjoy) posted on Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 4:35 pm
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try
All Dalmatian Rescue
Sue, Isle of Wight. Tel: 01983 525335
Jan, Clacton-on-sea Essex. Tel: 01255 220649
Email: petsatrest@aol.com
British Dalmatian Club Welfare
Co-ordinator, Tel: 07905 495084
Email: british.dalmatian.club.welfare@dial.pipex.com
Dalmatian Club of Scotland Rescue
Mrs Elaine Westwater, Tel: 07757 723207 Email: e.westwater@yahoo.co.uk
North of England Dalmatian Club Welfare Service
Co-ordinator John Terry, Scotton, Lincs.
Tel: 07941 861654 Fax: 01724 761981 Email: johnrfterry@aol.com
Doubt you will get puppies but I am sure one must have an older pair that needs homing together
www.animallifelineuk.org |
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| Dalmatian_mad (Dalmatian_mad) posted on Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 2:17 pm
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dominant? pack leader? guess who you watch.
i have 3 dogs, a multi dog household is great but 2 pups at once is plain daft. |
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| Sasca (Sasca) posted on Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 9:42 am
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but surely if you are pack leader then they will still obey you???
If you let them walk over you or get to boisterous then your gonna have trouble whether its one or 5 your dealing with. A wolf pack leader has to control in excess of 5 of her pups and keep them out of trouble and even when there grown up, they have to obey the pack or be chucked out! Siblings dont necessarily mean training goes out the window! just means twice the work
She's familiar with the breed and how boisterous they can be, if she takes the dominant role from the start and is good at training then there wont be many problems, just twice the mess to clear up! We had always kept one dog previously and it wasn't until we decided to get another we realised how much fun she was missing out with having a playmate. She got a new lease of life through her! i will always have two dogs from now on i think.
Good luck in finding your pups |
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| Dalmatian_mad (Dalmatian_mad) posted on Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 7:48 am
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i still think your looking at this through rose tinted glasses.
i wish you well but one final note its highly unlikely you will get 1 dobe ftgh from a pup let alone 2. why not try rescue? |
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| Donnamarie (Donnamarie) posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2010 - 9:16 pm
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| As a teenager, we owned 2 dobermanns called blade and max,they were brothers aged 8wks old when we got them,and they were great puppies,who grew into fantastic partners in crime also.They were very loyal to me and followed me everywhere.Some breeders would argue that you couldnt home 2 males together,but that is not true,i think everyone 2 there own.Ive always owned and broken in young horses in the past,and believe me mucking out around 7 stables a day and feeding,grooming,etc thats what you call hard work,puppies are just like babies,they just need to be taught,given plenty of love and they develop into nice tempered dogs.Dobermanns are very inteligent.They will know im the hand that feeds them lol. |
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| Dalmatian_mad (Dalmatian_mad) posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2010 - 8:58 pm
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its nuts to consider 2 together, ok dogs like company but if you leave them alone together then you will become surpless to requirements, why need you? they have each other for play and attention. when it comes to being outside and you call it will be mum who?
taking 2 pups together is massive, you must take time to play, train, walk in the beginning and feed apart. having a pup is huge but 2 together is madness.
i had my dals at a year apart, even that was hard work. they became partners in crime lol. |
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| Donnamarie (Donnamarie) posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2010 - 2:55 pm
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| Im looking for 2 puppies because i have the space and the time.Im not thinking of breeding,i would take 2 brothers,or male/female ,it really wouldnt matter.As a human we need company,so why shouldnt dogs have company,a brother or sister to run around with.Why do you own doberman puppies? |
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| Dalmatian_mad (Dalmatian_mad) posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2010 - 2:12 pm
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| why 2? |
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| Donnamarie (Donnamarie) posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2010 - 1:27 pm
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| Hello iam a 32 year old stay at home mum offering a permanent loving home to 2 dobermann puppies.I have experience with dobermanns,and can offer puppies a run of our home,and a large garden with 6ft secure fencing.The puppies will want for nothing,and will become part of our family.Owners are welcome to call/visit,or request photos of puppies progress and development at anytime.Manchester/cheshire.Can pay £100 for delivery if you would like to see wherepuppies will spend the rest of there days.So if permanent loving home is more important than price do get in touch Donna marie. |
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